Never in Reverse Podcast | Talks About Life, Performance, Accountability, and Family.
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Episode Details

November 29, 2024

32 minutes

  • The societal pressure on men to prioritize work over personal well-being and how it impacts their lives.
  • The importance of embracing failure as a way to create space for a more fulfilling and balanced life.
  • Jeremy’s journey from being constantly work-focused to learning how to prioritize family and personal time.
  • Doug’s realization that he hasn’t taken time for himself and how his upcoming vacation is a step toward self-care.
  • How disconnecting from work, like Jeremy taking his kids to the mountains, can help in being more present at home and work.
  • The challenge of putting oneself first, overcoming people-pleasing tendencies, and learning the value of self-reflection.

Featured Quotes

"Failure is a part of life, and accepting it allows us to build space for a life that we truly want."

Jeremy Axel

"I haven’t taken time for myself in so long—this vacation is a way for me to finally show up for myself."

Doug Cox

Episode Transcript And Overview

Are you showing up for yourself? Many of us, especially men, are so focused on providing and showing up for others that we do not know how to reflect and take care of our own needs. In this episode of the Never in Reverse Podcast, cohosts Jeremy Axel and Doug Cox explore their own difficulties with self-care and how they are working to overcome them. 


As providers, men are taught that their role is to support other people. Jeremy and Doug are hard workers, but this work ethic can sometimes leave them without any energy to show up for themselves and their loved ones. Jeremy and Doug’s families noticed their difficulty in this area and pointed it out to them, and both of them are working to improve. 


Learn why putting yourself first will help you show up authentically at work and at home, and find the tools you need to practice self-care and self-reflection. You can’t provide for others if you aren’t providing for yourself. 

Timeline Notes

4:47

Men are typically taught to provide and put work first in our society. This often leaves us lacking in our personal lives. Doug believes that this mentality is a combination of instinct and societal expectations.

7:03

Jeremy describes this as 'the provider side.' He is learning that failure is a part of life, and accepting it allows us to build space for a life that we truly want.

10:01

The desire to improve and win motivates Jeremy and Doug to work persistently toward success. Jeremy's family has a running joke - 'two more deals' - based off of Jeremy's once constant focus on work. He has since learned to have a better work-life balance and show up for his family.

15:00

Doug is going on vacation for the first time a long time. His wife told him that he has not taken time for himself. The vacation is a way for him to disconnect from work and show up for himself.

18:34

Jeremy is taking his kids to the mountains to spend quality time with them. He thinks that taking space from the constant flow of emails will help him show up more authentically at home and when he comes back to work.

22:39

Taking care of yourself has to come first. Jeremy and Doug struggle with putting themselves first and are learning how to better show up for themselves. Self-reflection is helping them make sure their needs are met.

24:54

Doug gets a lot of his fulfillment from others. This can be an obstacle to him making sure his own needs are met.

27:31

Doug also recognizes that he is a people pleaser, especially following a conversation with his father who pointed out this tendency. Jeremy says that it is not possible to realistically please everyone. He says that while he does not want to 'reverse,' there has to be room to 'slow down' and 'brake.'

Notable Guests

Bill Fairman

Bill Fairman

Fund Manager, Private Lender

Bill Fairman

Fund Manager, Private Lender

A best-selling author, national speaker, and serial entrepreneur with 30+ years of experience in mortgage banking.

Over the years, Bill has worked closely with hundreds of high-net-worth individuals, helping them strategically grow wealth as a Fund Manager for more than 13 years.

He’s also a trusted voice in the industry, serving on the Government Relations Committee of the American Association of Private Lenders.

Nick Kiridzic

Nick Kiridzic

Founder and CEO

Nick Kiridzic

Founder and CEO

I'm the founder of StaffHero, where we help growing businesses scale without the chaos connecting them with skilled remote assistants and automation systems that save time and cut costs.Before this, I spent over ten years in healthcare and business development, constantly spotting the same problem: amazing teams burning out under the weight of busywork. That’s what pushed me to build StaffHero.

Now, I focus on helping business owners get their time back and build systems that let them grow with freedom and focus.

Paul Glover

Paul Glover

The No B.S. Executive Coach

Paul Glover

The No B.S. Executive Coach

Paul Glover is No B.S. Executive Coach, whose mission is to Challenge the Best to Become Better.

He is also:

• An Ex- White-Collar Felon.

• A “Recovering” Federal Trial Lawyer.

• A Subject Mater Expert on failing and recovery. 

• Who is a TEDx speaker, Vintage Speaker, Forbes contributor, and an author whose book, WorkQuake™, is endorsed by Marshall Goldsmith, a Top 10 Business Thinker.

• An Executive Coach With 30 years of experience who advises and coaches executives in organizations with up to $1 billion in annual revenue.

• A Starbucks addict, and 

• A Chicago Bears fanatic.

Adi Klevit

Adi Klevit

Founder | CEO

Adi Klevit

Founder | CEO

Adi Klevit is the Founder of Business Success Consulting Group and the host of the Systems Simplified podcast. With nearly three decades of experience as an industrial engineer and process consultant, she has helped hundreds of growth-focused companies systematize their operations to scale successfully.

Known as “The Process Guru,” Adi specializes in designing and implementing turnkey systems that reduce dependence on the owner, empower teams, and increase profitability. Her clients range from fast-growing trades businesses to multi-location professional service firms, and she is a trusted advisor to CEOs across the U.S.

Joe Dillon

Joe Dillon

Divorce Mediator & Founder

Joe Dillon

Divorce Mediator & Founder

Joe is a pioneer in divorce mediation who has been helping couples navigate the end of their marriages with dignity and financial wisdom for over 17 years. As co-founder of Equitable Mediation Services, Joe combines his MBA in Finance with specialized training from Harvard, MIT, and Northwestern University to guide couples toward agreements that protect both their emotional wellbeing and financial futures.  


Joe pioneered virtual divorce mediation in 2011, nearly a decade before others adopted online practices during the pandemic. His results speak for themselves: Equitable Mediation Services maintains a 98% case resolution rate, significantly higher than the industry average of 70%. 

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