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October 29, 2025

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They share real-world lessons on what can go wrong and right when bringing someone onto your team, from hiring friends or family to setting clear expectations and avoiding early hiring mistakes.


If you’re an entrepreneur, startup founder, or small business owner, this episode delivers practical insights on leadership, accountability, and team building, helping you make smarter hiring decisions that actually support your growth.

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Episode Transcript And Overview

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Timeline Notes

00:00

The Gamble of the First Hire Discussing the misconception of the first hire as a milestone, emphasizing it's actually a significant gamble for entrepreneurs.

00:19

Introduction

01:23

The Excitement and Fallacy of the First Hire Exploring the emotional high and unrealistic expectations entrepreneurs have when making their first hire.

02:23

Delegation and Lack of Structure Challenges of delegating responsibilities without clear structure or expectations for the new hire.

03:04

Personal Experiences with First Hires Hosts share their own stories about hiring too early and the lack of preparation and clarity.

05:09

The Importance of Setting Expectations Discussing how crucial it is to set clear expectations and follow through with accountability for new hires.

07:09

Risks and Costs of Hiring Too Early Examining the dangers of premature hiring, including ego, onboarding costs, and lack of readiness.

09:22

Delegation, Trust, and Maturity The need for maturity, trust, and proper delegation as the business grows beyond startup mode.

10:50

Goal Setting and Alignment Importance of having clear short- and long-term goals and ensuring new hires align with them.

12:32

Firing Fast and Avoiding Dead Weight Learning to let go of underperforming employees quickly to maintain a healthy company culture.

13:55

Loyalty, Friendship, and Business Boundaries Navigating the complexities of hiring friends, maintaining boundaries, and separating business from personal relationships.

16:07

Hiring Friends and Family: Pitfalls and Growth Reflecting on the challenges and necessary maturity when hiring friends or family members.

19:12

The Resume vs. Reality Warning about the gap between a candidate’s resume/interview and their actual performance in a startup environment.

21:34

Dealing with Bad Hires and Firing Sharing experiences with bad hires, the importance of reviews, and the difficulty of firing employees.

22:32

Growth Stages and Team Evolution Discussing business growth milestones and the need for team members to evolve and level up with the company.

25:59

Evaluating Fit and Employee Aspirations Encouraging honest conversations about whether the company is the right vehicle for employees’ personal goals.

27:42

Letting Go and Maintaining Culture Recognizing when team members are no longer growing with the company and the importance of maintaining a strong culture.

29:32

Listening to the Team and Making Changes The value of feedback from employees and making necessary changes to support collective growth.

30:02

Final Thoughts and Practical Hiring Tips Concluding advice: treat the first hire as a gamble, be strategic, check references, and consider trial periods.

Notable Guests

Adi Klevit

Adi Klevit

Founder | CEO

Adi Klevit

Founder | CEO

Adi Klevit is the Founder of Business Success Consulting Group and the host of the Systems Simplified podcast. With nearly three decades of experience as an industrial engineer and process consultant, she has helped hundreds of growth-focused companies systematize their operations to scale successfully.

Known as “The Process Guru,” Adi specializes in designing and implementing turnkey systems that reduce dependence on the owner, empower teams, and increase profitability. Her clients range from fast-growing trades businesses to multi-location professional service firms, and she is a trusted advisor to CEOs across the U.S.


Joe Dillon

Joe Dillon

Divorce Mediator & Founder

Joe Dillon

Divorce Mediator & Founder

Joe is a pioneer in divorce mediation who has been helping couples navigate the end of their marriages with dignity and financial wisdom for over 17 years. As co-founder of Equitable Mediation Services, Joe combines his MBA in Finance with specialized training from Harvard, MIT, and Northwestern University to guide couples toward agreements that protect both their emotional wellbeing and financial futures.  


Joe pioneered virtual divorce mediation in 2011, nearly a decade before others adopted online practices during the pandemic. His results speak for themselves: Equitable Mediation Services maintains a 98% case resolution rate, significantly higher than the industry average of 70%. 

Jeremy Axel

Jeremy Axel

Host

Jeremy Axel

Host

Founder and sales manager of Fluent Conveyors, brings over 10 years of experience transforming the conveyor industry with innovative design, exceptional service, and strong dealer partnerships. Serving sectors like recycling, agriculture, and packaging, he delivers custom solutions that enhance efficiency and profitability. Known for his strategic relationship-building and customer-focused approach, Jeremy has earned top honors such as Sales Rep of the Year and President’s Club, reflecting his ongoing commitment to growth and industry leadership.

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