Episode Details
October 22, 2025
37 minutes
The Partnership "Prenup": Why the principles of a fair marital agreement are directly applicable to structuring a resilient business partnership.
Mediation Over Litigation: How the mindset of a mediator, facilitating a win-win, can resolve co-founder conflict before it requires lawyers and destroys the company.
Negotiating with Integrity: Moving beyond a win-lose mindset in both personal and business relationships to find solutions that preserve value and respect.
The AI Mediator: Exploring the future role of artificial intelligence in objectively analyzing conflict and suggesting equitable resolutions.
Planning for the End at the Beginning: Why having the difficult conversation about separation before signing the papers is the ultimate act of commitment.
Featured Quotes
"Joe Dillion"
In both divorce and business, the goal isn't to win the argument - it's to design a solution that both parties can live with and build upon. Litigation, like a lawyer-led business breakup, is the failure of imagination.
"A partnership agreement isn't a document of distrust; it's the operating system for your most important business relationship. We need to treat it with the same gravity as a prenup."
Jeremy Axel
Episode Transcript And Overview
Timeline Notes
Introduction
Joe Dillon's Background and Credentials
Joe Dillon's Experience in Corporate Publishing
Joe Dillon's Background and Transition to Mediation
Personal Experiences with Divorce
The Lack of Art and Integrity in Disruption and Personal Experiences with Divorce
Relationships and the Win-Lose Mindset
Personal Perspectives and Podcast Discovery
Joe's Music Listening Habits and Discovery of the Podcast
Introduction to Joe Dillon's Expertise and Background
Joe Dillon's Motivation and Perspective on Conflict Resolution
Commonalities and a Personal Story in Hong Kong
The Impact of Mediation and Personal Experiences
Personal Growth and Perspective
Misconceptions About Divorce
Agreement and Integrity in Negotiation
Dynamics in Conflict Resolution and Personal Impact
Personal Discovery and Addressing Past Insecurities
Understanding Childhood Perspectives and Professional Parallels
Mediation and Personal Responsibility
The Mediator's Role and Future Trends
The Impact of AI on Mediation
Advice for Newlyweds: Prenups and Financial Compatibility
Family and Career Considerations
Importance of Clear Agreements and Addressing Difficult Times
Advice for those going through a divorce
Concluding Remarks and Guest Information
Notable Guests
Bill Fairman
Fund Manager, Private Lender
Bill Fairman
Fund Manager, Private Lender
A best-selling author, national speaker, and serial entrepreneur with 30+ years of experience in mortgage banking.
Over the years, Bill has worked closely with hundreds of high-net-worth individuals, helping them strategically grow wealth as a Fund Manager for more than 13 years.
He’s also a trusted voice in the industry, serving on the Government Relations Committee of the American Association of Private Lenders.
Nick Kiridzic
Founder and CEO
Nick Kiridzic
Founder and CEO
I'm the founder of StaffHero, where we help growing businesses scale without the chaos connecting them with skilled remote assistants and automation systems that save time and cut costs.Before this, I spent over ten years in healthcare and business development, constantly spotting the same problem: amazing teams burning out under the weight of busywork. That’s what pushed me to build StaffHero.
Now, I focus on helping business owners get their time back and build systems that let them grow with freedom and focus.
Paul Glover
The No B.S. Executive Coach
Paul Glover
The No B.S. Executive Coach
Paul Glover is No B.S. Executive Coach, whose mission is to Challenge the Best to Become Better.
He is also:
• An Ex- White-Collar Felon.
• A “Recovering” Federal Trial Lawyer.
• A Subject Mater Expert on failing and recovery.
• Who is a TEDx speaker, Vintage Speaker, Forbes contributor, and an author whose book, WorkQuake™, is endorsed by Marshall Goldsmith, a Top 10 Business Thinker.
• An Executive Coach With 30 years of experience who advises and coaches executives in organizations with up to $1 billion in annual revenue.
• A Starbucks addict, and
• A Chicago Bears fanatic.
Adi Klevit
Founder | CEO
Adi Klevit
Founder | CEO
Adi Klevit is the Founder of Business Success Consulting Group and the host of the Systems Simplified podcast. With nearly three decades of experience as an industrial engineer and process consultant, she has helped hundreds of growth-focused companies systematize their operations to scale successfully.
Known as “The Process Guru,” Adi specializes in designing and implementing turnkey systems that reduce dependence on the owner, empower teams, and increase profitability. Her clients range from fast-growing trades businesses to multi-location professional service firms, and she is a trusted advisor to CEOs across the U.S.
Joe Dillon
Divorce Mediator & Founder
Joe Dillon
Divorce Mediator & Founder
Joe is a pioneer in divorce mediation who has been helping couples navigate the end of their marriages with dignity and financial wisdom for over 17 years. As co-founder of Equitable Mediation Services, Joe combines his MBA in Finance with specialized training from Harvard, MIT, and Northwestern University to guide couples toward agreements that protect both their emotional wellbeing and financial futures.
Joe pioneered virtual divorce mediation in 2011, nearly a decade before others adopted online practices during the pandemic. His results speak for themselves: Equitable Mediation Services maintains a 98% case resolution rate, significantly higher than the industry average of 70%.
